tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post2615595236496751107..comments2024-03-05T13:12:19.974-05:00Comments on TV Addicts Blog: Game of Thrones: Season 4 Episode 3 - Breaker of ChainsMike V.http://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-26778326702225953672014-04-25T10:09:23.493-04:002014-04-25T10:09:23.493-04:00Anonymous - I agree with you that people need to g...Anonymous - I agree with you that people need to get over it, as I've been saying too. But, I don't think the issue is just the rape scene in general. It's things surrounding it. <br /><br />A.) It happened differently in the books and there is a passionate following of Jaime's character arc in the books. So, the way it seems right now, this seems to contradict a bit with how Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-63054119911472652252014-04-25T09:57:04.990-04:002014-04-25T09:57:04.990-04:00I think there is WAY too much hype over this "...I think there is WAY too much hype over this "Rape" scene. Everyone is acting as if this is the most offensive thing that has ever happened. It is FICTION people! And haven't we seen Joffrey treat women in a much more violent and deadly manner without blinking an eye at it? And there is no doubt in my mind that Cersae would "rape" Jamie in some way if it was to her Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-38384855580436393802014-04-25T07:46:07.203-04:002014-04-25T07:46:07.203-04:004. GRRM pretty much wanted to distance himself fro...<br />4. GRRM pretty much wanted to distance himself from this due to the subject matter I'm thinking. The scene was different than his for more than one reason and he wasn't involved. He never said he didn't like it (people have read into it that way because that's what they want to read). He was very PC in his response. It can be interpreted either way you want it to. But Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-1840579238633397072014-04-25T07:45:58.798-04:002014-04-25T07:45:58.798-04:00Thanks for the links RIchard. I'm inclined to...Thanks for the links RIchard. I'm inclined to agree with both of them with how ridiculous this has all gotten. Here's my response to your "balance" points" lol<br /><br />1. Yeah, there is some horribly written dialogue in that scene of her "consent". It's a bad example of the writings George does and may prevent people from picking up the books. The fact Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-47459969457287899782014-04-25T07:06:34.258-04:002014-04-25T07:06:34.258-04:00New articles on the issue. This story won't e...<br />New articles on the issue. This story won't easily go away--lol. I think in large part because of the large fan base and Alex's stuff.<br /><br />http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/game-of-thrones-rape_n_5207676.html<br />This one is meant to be a funny satire.<br /><br />Interesting comparison to Breaking Bad/Justified<br /><br />http://www.salon.com/2014/04/24/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-84183997198435156572014-04-24T16:42:33.440-04:002014-04-24T16:42:33.440-04:00OK, I've got to add some balance here.
1. In t...OK, I've got to add some balance here.<br />1. In the book Cersei doesn't just consent, she asks for Jaime to take her and she actually physically guides him to her--more than just consent.<br />2. I don't think it was intentional character assassination(I've come down from there--lol). But Jaimee has done a lot to be the anti rape guy whereas he is now going to be known as a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-64841589884369329372014-04-24T13:31:13.400-04:002014-04-24T13:31:13.400-04:00MJ - Well, maybe deep down he feels he is a better...MJ - Well, maybe deep down he feels he is a better person than people give him credit for and he has been used by his family for their personal gain. But, he also had done horrible things for that family as well. <br /><br />I think it's more the fans of the book who are championing Jaime as a character seeking redemption. Obviously, GRRM wrote towards that and made us initially think one Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-37159392207742136382014-04-24T12:59:48.423-04:002014-04-24T12:59:48.423-04:00Lol - forgot Bran. But the rest is war. He might...Lol - forgot Bran. But the rest is war. He might have fought Ned and chars we like but that is war. don't feel he needs redemption for that. I acknowledged the incest - didn't state lying about his kids origins though.<br /><br />You really feel he's looking for redemption though? I don't. I think he doesn't always like himself and what he does - but feel he's seekingmjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-35285358681933826522014-04-23T12:37:03.989-04:002014-04-23T12:37:03.989-04:00Jaime Lannister - Threw Bran out a window to keep ...Jaime Lannister - Threw Bran out a window to keep his incestuous love for his sister and his fatherhood to the King's sons hidden. Fought Ned Stark in King's Landing adding fuel to the fire for the eventual war of the 5 kings. Had illegitimate children with his SISTER and passed them off as the King's heirs! Sure, a lot of this was Cersei's doing too, but he was involved. <brMike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-69235837899646861212014-04-23T12:22:04.612-04:002014-04-23T12:22:04.612-04:00Interesting all this redemption stuff - why do you...Interesting all this redemption stuff - why do you feel Jamie is seeking redemption? Besides his incest whats he done wrong? He's a soldier who has followed orders. Soldiers do bad things no matter the right or wrong of it. Yes it was his job to protect the king but didn't he kill him to stop something horrible? I don't see that he needs redemptionmjnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-50371498274390580142014-04-23T11:14:08.207-04:002014-04-23T11:14:08.207-04:00Book Stuff**********Spoilers**********************...Book Stuff**********Spoilers**************************<br /><br />Now that this has happened, I wonder if MT and TB(L) will have a love scene--lol He's older now. Surely this one will be consummated--lol. <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-74894623761594314762014-04-23T11:14:04.793-04:002014-04-23T11:14:04.793-04:00Yeah, I think we've both said our pieces at th...Yeah, I think we've both said our pieces at this point. lol It'll be interesting to see what the rest of the fallout will be.Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-73904428214828397432014-04-23T11:08:16.251-04:002014-04-23T11:08:16.251-04:00I agree that they have done a great job of adaptin...I agree that they have done a great job of adapting. I have said, this is their first real mistake. Some talk about Dany and Kohl, but there wasn't the investment in those two at that time. <br /><br />Alex has spoken and made it worse. D&D not speaking has made it worse--maybe. So, it's more than an adaptation problem now. They may THINK these characters are going this way or Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-56875316149551048852014-04-23T10:19:40.825-04:002014-04-23T10:19:40.825-04:00Of course, this is all contingent on GRRM's st...Of course, this is all contingent on GRRM's status on the books as well. If book 6 comes out at the right time, I'm sure they'll work on adapting that. And if book 7 is somehow in the realm of possibilities, maybe negotiations will take place to make that a reality on the show or with an ending movie or something. We'll see! Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-46913993474075632912014-04-23T10:12:47.436-04:002014-04-23T10:12:47.436-04:00Richard,
I'm really annoyed right now. I went...Richard,<br /><br />I'm really annoyed right now. I went on a big rant about TV vs Books and I was on a roll and my browser unexpectedly closed. Not sure I'll be able to muster up the strength to write it again! <br /><br />Long story short, I get your points but I have to disagree to an extent. I think it's a little harsh to be slamming Dan and Dave (even Alex Graves working on Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-33111671450344870012014-04-23T09:21:27.518-04:002014-04-23T09:21:27.518-04:00Yea, redemption arcs aren't perfect but to sho...Yea, redemption arcs aren't perfect but to show one as being imperfect in this way is "fan insensitive" at best. <br /><br />Alex turned this into a discussion about defining rape when he said that this scene was not rape. His statements compounded his and others "mistakes" If he had said he didn't mean for this to be seen as rape, then the frustrations would have Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-19255619684507842002014-04-23T07:49:46.214-04:002014-04-23T07:49:46.214-04:00I basically think the running theme of this episod...I basically think the running theme of this episode (which we touched on here) is that the people we may have started rooting for are still pretty awful people. <br /><br />Remember when Sawyer turned into a likable guy on LOST? He went and stole all the guns and had Charlie beat the crap out of Sun. He felt like he needed to be hated. But over the course of the show he still turned into oneMike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-31757771895492762762014-04-23T07:20:04.036-04:002014-04-23T07:20:04.036-04:00I totally agree that the big deal is the differenc...I totally agree that the big deal is the difference with the book. And agree that everyone involved has heard the outcry. <br /><br />I unfortunately can't see how it can be undone but wait to see.<br /><br />Richard Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-9578520428536336222014-04-22T18:36:42.919-04:002014-04-22T18:36:42.919-04:00It should be noted that Dave and Dan wrote the epi...It should be noted that Dave and Dan wrote the episode so it might have been their call to cut the scene there not Alex's. And we have to remember that while the show is airing in our modern times the show takes place in a different fictional world with their own made up values that are currently broken anyway. <br /><br />The big deal here is how they changed Jamie's standards from the Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-81671487296990603732014-04-22T18:31:37.272-04:002014-04-22T18:31:37.272-04:00I have read where D&D have different opinions-...I have read where D&D have different opinions--lol. <br /><br />Unfortunately, given that the show is already shot and Alex didn't see it as rape(he is catching a LOT of grief on that btw) I think you're very optimistic--lol.<br /><br />Also, on most sites I've seen it seems that almost all see it as rape and that it has been the biggest part of the comments.<br /><br />I am goingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-8256558765837275342014-04-22T17:08:48.213-04:002014-04-22T17:08:48.213-04:00I don't know if they'll come out and say i...I don't know if they'll come out and say it either way. But maybe Cersei's behavior the next time we see her will be somewhat telling. Maybe Jaime's future actions too. <br /><br />I'd also like to hear d&d's perspective. It is interesting they haven't said anything yet. LolMike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-53729035465130353122014-04-22T16:50:29.341-04:002014-04-22T16:50:29.341-04:00Mike,do you really think there will be something t...Mike,do you really think there will be something to happen to make it clear that it was not rape?<br /><br />Otherwise most people will continue to recognize it to be rape, period. And Jaime will have to live with it. <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-70052058077220377112014-04-22T14:05:25.982-04:002014-04-22T14:05:25.982-04:00I should clarify that the Dany stuff is historical...I should clarify that the Dany stuff is historical information that is not a huge reveal. <br /><br />If Jon Snow's mother (and possibly more) ever gets revealed in the books...that would be historical information that IS a huge reveal. lol Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-59636189225682552852014-04-22T14:03:35.937-04:002014-04-22T14:03:35.937-04:00Dany's parents stuff - Historical information....Dany's parents stuff - Historical information. No spoiler necessary! Similar to the Dorne info! lol I'm not even sure I remember reading it in the books. lol <br /><br />Agree on the Jaime/Cersei stuff. I think there's more info to be revealed there before we should judge too harshly. But it definitely has struck a nerve with the fanbase. <br /><br />No problem on Dorne stuff! Mike V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07952930766822976058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5070879978860038082.post-73748194738544076022014-04-22T13:56:05.251-04:002014-04-22T13:56:05.251-04:00Hey - you guys didn't give the spoiler warning...Hey - you guys didn't give the spoiler warning on Dany's parents stuff!<br /><br />Dont know what I feel on the jamie/cersei sex. It was def forceful sex but I almost felt that cersei would start enjoying it then start to pull aw ay again. I was more upset by the timing/location of it. Cersei is not above using sex as a weapon and being so cold to Jamie since his return, along with allmjnoreply@blogger.com